Shark Repelling Wetsuit
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Veronica Grey, aka “The Surf Lady”
Show Sharks who’s Boz!
Google the words “shark proof wetsuit” or “shark repelling wetsuit” or “shark safe wetsuit” and you will see tons of web pages suggesting how great it would be if only someone would invent one, based on scientific studies of how sharks respond to colors and patterns. Numerous scientists talk about it, but no one has brought it to market or patented the idea, until now.
The first time “Surf Lady” Veronica Grey went on TV advocating dressing with shark avoidance in mind was on October 31, 2011, the anniversary of the Bethany Hamilton tiger shark tragedy. Ever since that first TV appearance, Surf Lady is a constant staunch public proponent of people wearing a black and white zebra print in the water to repel sharks because sharks have evolutionarily developed over 15 million years to avoid anything that resembles their lethal enemy, the deadly poisonous banded sea snake. As the ocean’s apex predator, sharks don’t fear much. However, the venom of the banded sea snake will kill within seconds and sharks could not have evolved without developing a hard wired mechanism to avoid creatures with that look.
Surf Lady Veronica Grey shark safety presentations are on numerous websites like WTNH, KCAL 9 Los Angeles, WTVR, and KATU just to name a few.
Google again to research sharks and banded sea snakes which reveals many scientists and even National Geographic documenting their relational behavior, but it is Jacques Cousteau’s studies that influenced The Surf Lady to become a trusted authority on shark safety. She founded SwimWithoutSharks.com
with a tentpole guidebook
“Swim WithOUT Sharks ~
The REAL Surfer’s Paradise:
Guide to shark attack-free Destinations of the World.”
After numerous TV appearances, Surf Lady Veronica Grey is now partnered with world class Boz wetsuits to bring you the patent pending FIRST EVER and ONLY (non-electronic) wetsuit that is specifically designed to increase your chances of avoiding a shark. She invented it and Boz wetsuits fulfills it. Now you can show the shark who’s Boz!
Other companies have invented products like a zebra print decal for the bottom of your surfboard to thwart sharks. Our original concept takes it a step further with a patent pending tribal zebra print banded sea snake reminiscent design to wetsuits and other surf apparel like rash guards, booties, etc.
Can we 100% guarantee you won’t be bitten by a shark while wearing this suit? We can only liken it to wearing seat belts while driving or a helmet while snowboarding or using birth control – it is merely an enhancement that increases your chances of safety. Studies show that if you have been in the ocean, you have probably at some point been within 10 feet of a shark and never even knew it. Our shark deterring wetsuit intention is based on logic and scientific fact but we cannot take responsibility for the randomness of shark behavior. We can only go with probability and rationality. Everything is intention and ours is to prevent shark encounters; however, visit our site for our liability disclaimer.
The Shark Boz wetsuit for Surf Ladies and Surf Lads everywhere looks cooler anyway than your average suit with its hip tribal design; the fact that it may cause sharks to avoid you is almost just a bonus. Like ALL Boz high end wetsuits, the neoprene is 100% stretch, double lined with titanium, fully taped blind stitched with glued seams. Each and every wetsuit is custom made to order in Peru with the best materials from Japan. Only the best wear Boz because Boz is the best. Maybe now the safest too!
I for one certainly would not count on that to work. Good Luck. I seem to recall John Lydon of all people diving with sharks, and he wore a black and yellow striped wetsuit. He didn’t get eaten, but then again that does not prove a thing.
Yellow is known as yum yum yellow and this suit is black and white, NOT black and yellow.
Whoever swims in black and yellow IS asking for it.
Maybe the name Jack is short for Jackass?
Do your research before hating on others’ correct work.
I honestly hope it does work. I wasn’t trying to be a jackass or to start a war, chill out.
Sea snakes occur in the tropical seas of the Indian and Pacific oceans. They are not found in the Atlantic. It seems reasonable, that if this suit is to work, it may not work in the Atlantic, where there would be no conditioning of sharks, as there are no sea snakes.
In the Pacific ocean I would be concerned about surface ambush predators like Great White sharks. In this case, the shark would be looking up towards the surface, and sees only a silhouette. Stripes would be as meaningless as a logo on a wetsuit. As these sharks are sometimes known to move at speeds of up to 55kph and can propel themselves 5m out of the water in a breach, I would be hesitant to give 100% reliance upon a striped suit to make any difference. If however this does work, then great! Any lives saved would make the suit worthwhile.
Just sayin’
Jack thank you for being so interested in this suit.
To address your first point, watch ANY show during shark week on Discovery channel and they will tell you sharks have crazy migratory patterns. They show the maps of how far tagged sharks travel. NO WAY do they remain in one ocean. So even if sea snakes aren’t in some regions, you can bet they learned to avoid banded sea snakes in other areas. Sharks as a species could not have evolved without learning to avoid sea snakes, same as humans would not have evolved had we kept picking the same poisonous berries. To address your 2nd point about sharks and silhouettes, again, remember you questioning people who have spent weeks and weeks doing research and again, watch shows on Shark week and you will discover sharks have ridiculously keen eyesight – 20 times better than humans. The reason they charge after a silhouette is because so far there was nothing to distinguish a surfer from a seal and we HOPE these stripes will at least help! They are meant as a deterrent the same way as seat belts in a car may help but nothing is 100% sure in this world and we clearly state that in our liability disclaimer. Thank you Jack because your concerns give us an opportunity to clarify the non-electronic shark repellent further.
I agree with you and your Shark Week shows that sharks have ‘crazy migratory patterns’. That much is not disputed. But I cannot recall ever hearing of a tagged shark migrating from the Atlanic to the Indo-Pacific, or vice versa. I have heard of a theory that Mediterranean Great White Sharks found their sea of residence due to a wrong turn, originating from somewhere around South African waters. Details are scant, as this is an unproven theory and is based on genetic evidence that still requires fleshing out.
As far as Shark Week goes, I watch it regularly, but I also take what is said with a grain of salt. Many of the shows on Shark Week are quite sensational, and are clearly driven to produce results for advertisers, rather than being based on solid scientific evidence. This doesn’t keep me from watching the shows. I just question some of the information that is being delivered.
Regarding specifics of the wetsuit, I would ask ‘can the stripes be seen from the bottom of the ocean at a depth of say 40 or 50 feet, when silhouetted against the sun? I doubt it. And what is more is do you actually look like a sea snake (with limbs?) or do you look like a seal with stripes? Personally, I won’t be wearing this suit to swim the Farallones or Seal Island SA anytime soon.
How exactly would a sea snake bite a great white shark? Their teeth are so far back in their mouth that they could never effectively bite a great white shark. Besides, a sea snake would never be considered prey for a great white shark, it’s way too small and a sea snake would never think of a great white as prey.
I’ve been observing great white sharks for literally thousands of hours and can tell you that they are definitely not deterred by black and white colors.
Watching TV does not account for “observing” sharks for thousands of hours. What are your exact credentials? And did you actually observe sharks WITH sea snakes or just on their own? The first person who truly documented the relational behavior between sharks and sea snakes was Jacques Cousteau. That is where any real research begins – study his hours of logs and documentation.
And then, here are a just three of a BUNCH of online links of other highly reputable scientists’ findings that lend credibility to our shark repellent wetsuit:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-20/shark-repellant-wetsuit-being-researched/4271860
http://www.goldendolphin.com/WASdisk/driftlin/snksuit/wetsuit.htm
Where is YOUR scientific data Martin?
Believe me when I say that we spent not thousands of hours, but weeks and months researching this topic and you will tire of askinq questions long before us. The team crazy enough to research each and every surf spot on the planet for shark activity (yes EVERY surf spot – mindboggling indeed) who brings the FREE service http://www.SwimWithoutSharks.com is glad to be of service.
We have presented you with tons of scientific info. All you gave given so far is some lame claim to your personal, undocumented, unscientific, alleged observations.
The suit is meant to protect not just against great white sharks but any and all sharks. There are plenty of YouTube videos where a sea snake puts up a challenge to a smaller sized shark. The bull shark is the 2nd most dangerous and they are usually around 10 feet only. They are almost worse than great white sharks because they will test bite anything, even random tires; at least a great white mostly goes after (things that resemble) seals.
Watching TV does not account for “observing” sharks for thousands of hours. What are your exact credentials? And did you actually observe sharks WITH sea snakes or just on their own? The first person who truly documented the relational behavior between sharks and sea snakes was Jacques Cousteau. That is where any real research begins – study his hours of logs and documentation.
And then, here are a just three of a BUNCH of online links of other highly reputable scientists’ findings that lend credibility to our shark repellent wetsuit:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-09-20/shark-repellant-wetsuit-being-researched/4271860
http://www.goldendolphin.com/WASdisk/driftlin/snksuit/wetsuit.htm
Where is YOUR scientific data Martin?
Believe me when I say that we spent not thousands of hours, but weeks and months researching this topic and you will tire of askinq questions long before us. The team crazy enough to research each and every surf spot on the planet for shark activity (yes EVERY surf spot – mindboggling indeed) who brings the FREE service http://www.SwimWithoutSharks.com is glad to be of service.
We have presented you with tons of scientific info. All you gave given so far is some lame claim to your personal, undocumented, unscientific, alleged observations.
Sorry Scenester, I couldn’t reply to your comment (no link) Actually, like I said, if you would know me, you would not accuse me of watching sharks on TV. I actually work with TV productions that make shark movies. (Disney’s Oceans, BBC., Island of the Great White Shark, Discovery Channel, Nat. Geo etc.)
I also work with the scientists at Isla Guadalupe as well as MCSI.
Why do you need to attack me personally? Do I attack you? If you disagree, you disagree, why make it personal? How scientific is that?
Your final post in this section you name a bunch of shows you supposedly work on. Anyone legitimate will be in the credits which will be on IMDB. If you can’t produce even one link to show you know of what you speak well then YOU my friend, are the scenester
Gosh anyone can go online and rattle off an impressive resume with no back up.
Scenester
Again, you attack me. Who are you? You spend a lot of time on TV, when do you have time to go out and watch the sharks?
check out sharkdiver.com, sharkdivers.com, gudalupefund.org, sharkfreemarinas.com or google “Martin Graf sharks” and you get lot’s of links to what I do.
So now, what do you have to say to what I say, other than attack me?
I have to agree with Jack in his points here. Scenester, I truly hope this works but you answer relies on so many assumptions and what we think of sharks and theories not facts. We think they mistake us with seals. It is just one of many theories not a fact.
The eyesight of 20 times more than us may apply for some species but where they hunt the water does not have good visibility to any animal. That is why they are called the ambush predators. If they see us clearly as you indicated and still attack, this may not be called mistaken identity but a direct attacking behavior. Then your theory becomes invalid.
Are sharks run away from sea snakes ? That is a good question. I have never seen a sea snake chasing basically anything, in water. They normally run away from anything themselves.including humans. The shallows and reefs where the snakes are mostly seen are nothing close to where big sharks that are dangerous to humans live. Personally I even doubt a reef shark would avoid a snake in any sense. The snakes may not be on some sharks menu of an easy meal but humans lie on the same menu but they still may bite us.
In a shark dive this sea snake shapes will not make me feel safer to any sense.
The incidents are so rare that , it is impossible to have an outcome indicating someone did not have an interaction because of the suit.
Anyway, I hope that you are right and it may help saving people from interactions.
Why would you surf or dive by the Farallone Islands in anything but a metal cage? As stated earlier, it is merely a deterrent against test bites which happens when sharks ARE close enough to see you and still “unsure” of whether you are food or not. THIS is how ALL other sharks hunt.
The ONLY shark that does that swim from 40 or 50 feet below and propel up to the surface is the great white shark and we are not claiming this suit will protect you from that behavior which great white sharks do to knock their prey unconscious first and separate them from the herd. This shark repellent wetsuit is designed to deter from test bites when a shark is close enough to see you, ie a bull or tiger shark and there are way more bull or tiger shark attacks than any other kind. But who knows, this may repel a great white shark as well if they happen to be swimming by and not doing that breach behavior. When you get in your car ultimately the choice is yours if you wanna wear a seatbelt. That is how we feel about this suit. But no one tells you where to drive and neither do we.
Thank you Jack for expressing doubts these same questions may arise in the mind of a client and each time you post it just gives yet another opportunity to reveal how truly well researched we are and confident in our product. There isn’t a concern you could mention that we can’t refute so BRING IT. If you are simply one of those bloggers who needs to have the last word then write a non-doubtful comment that we will allow to stand regarding our patent pending invention because we are passionate enough to keep responding and making sure the interested public gets the full picture each time you say something to try and cast doubt on it. This is our baby and we are prepared to defend it long after you tire out. Perhaps if you had something in your life you invented you would promote and manage that rather than expend your energy trying to tear down something useful and possibly life saving we have built. It’s folks like you who have nothing better to so that give us the opportunity to show what we are made of so THANK YOU.
Wow, you can surf in a metal cage? Dang, you ARE good! Sorry, just had to have a little fun with that line!
Scenester, thank you for the answer.
There is no need to be angry to answer questions or comments. No one has to follow your assumptions or take everything you say as granted.
It is not a good way to communicate with potential users or consumers. It is natural to have opposing questions and comments here. It has to make sense to people. Something that makes sense to you may not make any sense to others. Especially when it comes to sharks when everyone claims they reached “Nirvana”.
As Jack and I both indicated that we hope it works. Everyone is trying to find out solutions to human-shark interactions. A working device or suit will be a real heaven for everyone. All we try to do is to make sure if it works.
I hope and wish time will prove you right for the sake of the humans and the sharks.
I am sorry but as an avid shark diver, I am personally no where close to being satisfied by your explanations. If it makes you angry or disturbed, so be it.
Good luck with your product.
Angel any licensed psychologist will tell you that when someone makes a comment, it is a reflection on their state of mind, not a reflection on what they are commenting on. Some people will never be satisfied no matter how great a product is. Dissatisfaction is a reflection of who you are – not a reflection of what we present to the world. People are intelligent enough to decide for themselves. A reputed ABC anchor chose to post an interview regarding this suit on her PERSONAL YouTube. She is only doing so because it IS well researched and you don’t get on ABC News unless that is so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bAv68DheZE&list=FLh_3ZbNYXu3l2tVjZTP9eqQ
Thank you Angel and we hope you don’t go through life generally dissatisfied.
Is that a reputed anchor or a reputable anchor? People are intelligent enough to decide for themselves? Maybe if you give them correct information, otherwise, how would they know? You can get on just about any news program, as long as you have something that will give them ratings.
This is a funny question. An ABC news anchor with a thriving career. Her YouTube is RosaFloresTV. If you search online “Surf Lady Veronica Grey” and “Sharks” you will find appearances on at least 4 other news sites like WTVR, KATU, WTNH, and the 2nd highest rated news in the country, CBS LA.
You obviously didn’t understand what I was saying. YOU stated it was a REPUTED anchor, not a reputable anchor. (I don’t have a problem with the anchor, I have a problem with the so called expert)
There are a lot of people who are very good a self promoting and that doesn’t necessarily mean they know what they are talking about.
Scenester,
Please read your comment and see how much of aggression you put in writing. I am not an expert on psychologists, you look like you know better. But I know to discuss the product and the benefits not involving personality issues. So discuss the problem not people kind of approach always seems to have better results.
Also I forgot to add in my last comment the detail about the seatbelt. I understand your point of marketing on setting up seatbelt as an example but it is not that easy. Seatbelts have a proven record to save human life millions of times by observation and trial not on theory. It is mandatory for every manufacturer and depending on the country seatbelts statistically will save your life in a fatal car accident by %9 to %21. When you have such a proven record by trial on even thousands not millions, I may have a better understanding. Before that it is a lot of theories and a crowd of words.
I am happy that you will be on ABC. It may help you to reach more crowds and explain yourself better.
Thank you for your time
Angel- I have already been on ABC and every other network.
Not “will be.”
Am on.
31 TV appearances in 15 months to be exact.
So there’s my proven track record.
And it will keep going.
This is my last comment on this subject. You have succeeded in “tiring me out”. Since you have brought up the subject of psychology, I would like to suggest that perhaps this wetsuit isn’t so much about sharks as it is about ego and pride in having a “patent-pending” invention. Congratulations on getting on television so many times. It must make you feel good. I would like to know, however, how you would feel if, just if you were mistaken. What if this wetsuit only provides a false sense of security. What if someone gets mauled, while wearing the wetsuit. What would your comments to the press be? Just curious. Good luck to you and all those who wear this suit. I wish you all the very best.
Oh yeah, being on TV certainly gives you credibility. Isn’t TV the medium that portrays sharks as mindless killers also?
Shark week is on the Discovery channel; National Geographic is hardly sensational. TV as a medium may have its issues but nothing compared to the Internet which allows naysayers like you who have nothing better to do than to be destructive because for some sad reason you don’t have a creative outlet in your life. People with creative outlets are much too busy to spend time trying (and failing) to cast doubt on others. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to spend my Sunday afternoon on a topic so near and dear to me.
Nat Geo is hardly sensational? You should have been at Guadalupe when they had the girl in a mermaid costume swim with a great white shark. I guess that was purely scientific.
And now you are attacking me personally. You know nothing about me, but you characterize me as someone who has nothing better to do than being destructive. I have plenty of creative outlets in my life and if you’d know me, you would know that. What topic is near and dear to you? Criticizing me?
Sharks are near and dear to me and I spend my personal and professional life protecting them.
Please share just ONE link online that shows you PROFESSIONALLY protecting sharks as you claim. If this were a personal passion there may be no evidence but if you call it a profession surely there must be some proof? I have honestly put myself out here giving out countless links – even my screen name Scenester links right to “my professional life.” I put my cards on the table because they are well researched so show us SOMETHING “Martin Graf.”
OK Scenester, We started the Guadalupe fund, Sharkfree Marinas.
Martin Graf
Managing Director
http://www.sharkdiver.com
http://www.sharkdivers.com
http://www.sharkdivers.blogspot.com
http://www.guadalupefund.org
http://www.sharkfreemarinas.com
Scenester
I want to ask you again, why make this personal? Do you know more about sharks than anyone else? I’m not the only one on here that notices that you attack the person, when you can’t dispute their message.
As to your sea snake story. Jacques Cousteau talked about reef sharks, not great whites.
“This time it’s personal!!!!”
And if you would please read my posts carefully you will see I already said the suit is to deter ALL sharks, not only great whites. Geez. You catch a debatable semantic like the word “reputed” but you miss some big points.
OK Scenester I admit, I’m missing the point. I know it’s not just about great whites. What other shark are surfers worried about? Bull? Tiger? Oceanic White Tip? What other “dangerous” shark would be “scared” of a sea snake?
Hey Jack
What if you cross the street and get hit by a car?
We will never know though cause you claim this is your last post but
what if you are not a man of your word?
Do you think the inventor of the seatbelt was concerned that the safety device might influence more people to drive?
This invention is not about ego. IF YOU SURFED YOU WOULD KNOW THAT. There is a spirit in surfing that is not inherent in any sport, not even in diving. Sorry.
In all honesty, this is for people who already surf in places like South Africa and Australia and California who love it so much that they take their chances with sharks. The sharks’ presence is not a determining factor on whether or not they surf. They WILL surf anyway. So we just wanted to give them a safety option that COULD make it safer for them. But sure if this wetsuit will influence some people who were afraid of sharks to go ahead and try surfing, wow that would be awesome because it would change their life in ways ANY surfer can’t shut up about. That is why I will never tire from talking about this.
Scenester, I know that I said I would be quiet but I am still subscribed to this topic. I received an inbox full of emails today (16 to be precise) on this subject. So I read your comments and the comments of Martin Graf, and checked out some of the links that were provided. I must say, Mr. Graf makes a lot of sense. I tend to agree with what he says.
I looked at the “shark free” Sydney surf sites as well and I have to say that unless you are surfing a lake that you are just dead wrong. There will be sharks in the ocean. It is THE OCEAN for crying out loud. Why would these particular sites be free from sharks? It is ridiculous. Moreover, if there are such places, than why do you need your “shark repelling” wetsuit?
As for Jacques Cousteau, sea snakes and sharks, you need to realize that although the world owes Cousteau a debt of gratitude, although he was genius, and although he knew a lot about the sea, he was NOT a scientist per se. He was a mariner, an inventor and a filmmaker and a brilliant one at that. He certainly worked with many scientists and knew a lot about the sea, but that is different from being a scientist. The development of the scuba regulator was a collaborative effort between himself and Emile Gagnan. I am not trying to take anything away from Jacques Cousteau here. I have the utmost respect for the man and his formidable achievements, but I recognize the limitations of his work as well.
And once again I must ask you why this wetsuit would do any good at all in a region of the world that doesn’t have sea snakes, even if it was to somehow work in the tropical Indo-Pacific? I don’t see that there would be any sea snake conditioning of sharks whatsoever in the Atlantic ocean, the Mediterranean, etc. I am very curious as to why a pelagic species, a mako for example, in the Atlantic would even care about sea snakes or even recognize them as a threat?
I agree with Mr Graf, that it makes no sense for you to attack personally the people who challenge your ideas. It is your IDEAS that are being challenged. Not you personally, so stop being so insulting and answer the questions that you are asked if you can. If you don’t have an answer you should admit it and move on until you have evidence.
Also being on television is not in and of itself a credential of any kind. All it means is that you were on television. Many people get on T.V. and it doesn’t make what they say true. You can be mistaken or joking or even be a liar and still get on television. It makes no sense to say that your ideas are correct because they have been on T.V.
I hope you didn’t invest your life savings in this idea, but that might explain your tenaciousness.
You need to let this idea go. I would hate to tune in to Shark Year Magazine and hear of some poor surfer who lost his/her leg or life to a shark simply because they heard a wetsuit was adequate protection against the worlds oldest predator (and by the way the number is 400 million years, not the 15 million years that you quote on television.)
Well said Jack! If we want to have a scientific discussion, we need to focus on the issues and what is being said instead of who’s saying it. I’ve been involved with sharks, mostly great whites at this point, for 11 years and I like to say that the easiest way to know someone is NOT a shark expert, is when he/she tells you that he/she is. The more I know about these creatures, the more questions I have.
Another question to Scenester would be. Why do sharks swim with pilot fish if the are repelled by black and white stripes?
That is a good question Martin. They must not be too afraid of stripes.
Scenester, perhaps you were trying to suggest that sea snakes evolved 15 million years ago. Perhaps they did, but I can only find evidence of their evolution around 10 million years ago. Maybe I am not looking hard enough or in the right places. Would you care to correct me on this? If you have the answer please provide a link.
Jack you are not a man of your word so I will no longer even respond to someone like you who isn’t worth it.
Scenester how about answering my questions. You were talking about providing links with TONS of scientific evidence, but all those links showed is people talking about testing and not scientific results.
You said that all I did was giving “some lame claim to your personal, undocumented, unscientific, alleged observations”. I have given you my “credentials” All my observations are first hand and not from a book or TV show. I never claimed to be a scientist, but I give the scientists my observation and they use them in their research. You are welcome to contact MCSI in fallbrook, Dr. Nicole Nasby-Lucas or Dr. Michael Domeier and ask them about my contributions.
So now, what do you have to say about what I’m saying? Other than attacking me, you have not responded to what I said. I’d love to hear your side.
You can count on my word that I will never believe that a wetsuit is adequate protection against shark bite. No matter what color it is or how many stripes it has on it. Your wetsuit might have stripes, but they don’t look anything at all like a sea snake anyway. They look like a fashion statement, which should be the way you market the wetsuit. If you drop the “shark repellant” claim, I might actually support your cause, because it isn’t a bad looking suit. I just cannot believe it will help surfers, divers, swimmers or anybody else who works, plays or otherwise spends time in the sea, to avoid shark bites. I mean come on, if this really worked, don’t you think the Navy would be using these techniques? They have been working on the problem of shark bite prevention at least since WWII, maybe earlier.
Good luck.
I have responded to your claims, believe me, as this invention is my baby so yes i am a protective mama.
But i don’t run Shark Year magazine and for some odd reason, some of my responses with qualifying links don’t get approved which hardly makes for fair discourse.
Your word was you wouldnt speak again. But you broke your word and any man who does that has no credibility.
Man, I must have missed those responses, unless you mean your responding by attacking me personally.
The only claim I have made is that black and white does not repel sharks and that claim is based on my observation. The other thing I said is that I doubt that any sharks that are considered dangerous to surfers would hardly be deterred by a sea snake, since those snakes don’t have the ability to actually bite a shark. You have not responded to either one of those observations.
If you are protective of your baby, maybe you should be open to observations of others and maybe you can improve your design.
I have been posting a bunch of links to other well researched sites but for some reason Shark Year hasnt approved them. Google “shark repelling decal” and shark camo and you will see SO many different scientists backing up our claims.
Good night – all I can say is I do respond and I am perturbed that the fairness of the discourse is becoming slanted to where my responses are not being approved which allows people to cast doubt on our well researched product. If this censorship continues we may have to get a court order to have this topic removed because if we can not adequately provide links and facts and proofs then the post has deteriorated to something bordering on slander for which we will have grounds for legal complaint. You will notice I always welcomed your doubts because it provided me with the forum to clarify our shark proof wetsuit but once our polite non inflammatory
responses merely providing links were somehow omitted,
this is no longer cool
and unfairly
skewing what could be perfectly fair, informative and intelligent,
albeit sometimes heated, discourse.
So now you are attacking Shark Year Magazine? Really??
Goodness gracious! All that is being asked is that you supply some evidence of your claims.
My credibility is not at stake here. Yours is. You make the fanciful claim that striped neoprene will ward off sharks. It is up to you to back up your claim with evidence. Not mine. In fact all I am doing is questioning your nonsensical idea. Have you ever even seen a sea snake? Even in an aquarium? They look nothing like your suit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laticauda_colubrina
hey Jack, in many of my previous posts i too was able to successfully provide links. this aint my first rodeo
i don’t know why all of a sudden if won’t let me.
Seriously though
google Shark camo
and Shark repelling decal
i am not attacking Shark Year but i AM saying that my responses to your questions where i share links to more scientific research have not been approved and this is the truth so help me God.
It’s strange that your links get “banned” but your personal attacks are not. You say you have provided links that didn’t post.
How about a simple answer? Which sharks that are considered dangerous to surfers are afraid of sea snakes?
Did you do a study, similar to the one Dr. Klimley did, where you exposed sharks to various patterns and observed a different response to your pattern? (Klimley did it with shapes, not patterns)
Dr Klimley is a brilliant researcher.
Hey scenester, my link posted. I think your links don’t post due to operator error. You might try right clicking on the link, choosing copy, and then pasting the link into your browser window. Anyway, it worked for me. Good night.
I have been posting a bunch of links to other well researched sites but for some reason Shark Year hasnt approved them. Google “shark repelling decal” and shark camo and you will see SO many different scientists backing up our claims.
Good night – all I can say is I do respond and I am perturbed that the fairness of the discourse is becoming slanted to where my responses are not being approved which allows people to cast doubt on our well researched product. If this censorship continues we may have to get a court order to have this topic removed because if we can not adequately provide links and facts and proofs then the post has deteriorated to something bordering on slander for which we will have grounds for legal complaint. You will notice I always welcomed your doubts because it provided me with the forum to clarify our shark proof wetsuit but once our polite non inflammatory
responses merely providing links were somehow omitted,
this is no longer cool
and unfairly
skewing what could be perfectly fair, informative and intelligent,
albeit sometimes heated, discourse.
OK, I did google both shark repelling decal and shark camo. The links that came up are either for sites selling it or talking about it, no scientific testing. Could you try again to post those links?
Court order?
You just said : “You will notice I always welcomed your doubts because it provided me with the forum to clarify our shark proof wetsuit . . . . ”
You never clarified anything. That is what we are asking you to do. What judge would back you up? Give me a break.
i have not posted many links on here so if you scroll through my answers, two of the links DO provide studies that back up our shark deterring wetsuit – the links at ABCnet and GoldenDolphin. Really it is annoying having to repeat myself because the information is all there -repeatedly so. i posted those links twice so stop saying that i never showed scientific proof or i will just copy and paste my answers like they do in kindergarted when having to repeat something for children. And finally the wersuit is designed for ALL sharks but because you keep pressing for a clarification, here are the ones we bear most in mind http://yomraholmes.hubpages.com/hub/10-Deadliest-Sharks-in-the-World
OK, I’m trying to ignore the insults (kindergarten) and just respond to the substance. You ridicule my observations as unscientific etc. but in the links you posted, ABC talks about scientists developing a suit the HOPE will deter sharks and nothing specific about your suit and the goldendolphin link shows a guy in a much different suit, talking about his experience. How is this scientific evidence?
And to your link regarding the 10 deadliest sharks. Since there are around 10 deadly shark encounters world wide each year I think a suit that talks about deterring sharks should deter the ones most likely to cause harm to humans. Of those I can’t see one that would be deterred by a sea snake. OK, that’s just my opinion and that’s why I ask about tests being done to see, side by side if there is a difference in shark behavior around.
So far all I have gotten is not scientific. You can’t have it both ways, using methods that are not scientific while accusing me of not being scientific. Just to say it again. I’m NOT a scientist, but scientists use my observations for their scientific papers.
hey i misspelled kindergarten so how important can my so-called insult be? the best things we learned were in kindergarten anyway
those links show the types of studies people do, which were similar to ours. AGAIN, they don’t know me and i dont know them. what i AM SAYING is we all conducted our own independent research and reached the same conclusions, as did the NUMEROUS links online of people selling shark shield, shark camo, and shark decals. WE ALL REACHED the same conclusions based on our team’s private research.
That is what i have been saying and this can get long and drawn out of me just finding more and more links to “prove my hypothesis.”
We are all on the same team. That much is obvious. We all love the ocean and the creatures in it.
Necessity is the mother of invention. i invented this suit because of my tremendous fear of sharks. i didn’t design it to make money. i designed it for ME and people like me.
If you would like to set up a scenario where i can wear my suit during one of your shark dives and on a different dive, wear a different suit and we can FILM the reactions, i will be on the next plane to you.
Let’s both put our money where our mouth’s are, capiche? This is saying a LOT, considering i am so fricking scared of sharks that i formed http://www.SwimWithoutSharks.com and oh yes, met Steven Spielberg too
http://www.werpaparazzi.com/wp-content/gallery/surf/cid_5cf741fd-826a-461a-bc7f-8eea3c8f0543.jpg
I believe in my product and research so much I say to you, BRING IT. Let’s test it together shall we?
Thanks for responding in a nice way. I’m not sure I want to put my money or time into researching your wetsuit theory. Since I’m not really afraid of sharks and there are very few accidents with shark/human interactions, I choose to focus my efforts on research that will hopefully protect the sharks. If you want to come out and see the sharks from the safety of a cage, let me know. We just started the Bull shark experience in Bimini, which is land based, with a cage at the end of a dock. We also do Great White Sharks in Guadalupe and Tigers in the Bahamas.
I wish you good luck with your suit.